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**GFPC** · 14 October 2010, 7:08 pm

Originally Posted by Betpartners

Ok Schalk so this was the old bet both sides via 2 affiliate accounts, lose maybe 5% on the margins on th bets but gain say 25% on the affiliate income.

Or am i reading it wrong

Yeah thanks for coming in explaining Schalk. Please forgive me but how does this negatively affect your sportsbook. I am only curious because i am going to open a sportsbook site soon, and this interests me. (Affiliate site)

If this one bettor lost around 22000 Euros how does the sportsbook loose

EDIT: Just read your reply to Betpartners... So essentially your saying he is offering players a sort of rakeback? And this is against your terms and conditions?

**Betpartners** · 14 October 2010, 7:14 pm

because another bettor wins 22000

so bettor 1 wins 22k, better 2 loses 22k

better 1 and bettor 2 are together

the affiliate of better 2 gets 25% commission

and the affiliate of bettor 2 is?

thats right better 1

lol

Thanks for explaining Schalk

**MichaelCorfman** · 14 October 2010, 7:27 pm

The scheme takes two affiliate accounts and two player accounts. Let me show an example:

Player 1 opens an account under Affiliate 1 and bets $10K for Team A to win.

Player 2 opens an account under Affiliate 2 and bets $10K for Team A to loose.

Team A wins.

Player 1 makes a profit of 10K less, say 5% or $250.
Affiliate 1 closes account with a negative carryforward of $2.5K that is wiped out.
Player 2 has a loss of $10K.
Affiliate 2 makes a profit of 2.5K

Net amount sportsbook pays out = $10K-$250-$10K+$2.5K = $2,250.

So, sportsbooks have to be very careful about situations where affiliates and player networks work together to defraud them.

Michael

**GFPC** · 14 October 2010, 7:32 pm

Thank you Michael.

You explained it so perfect!! Now i fully understand! WOW that is really interesting i never knew anything about that. Thanks so much for explaining
in simple terms!!

I learned something new today guys - thanks to all.

**Betpartners** · 14 October 2010, 7:38 pm

Originally Posted by GFPC

Thank you Michael.

You explained it so perfect!! Now i fully understand! WOW that is really interesting i never knew anything about that. Thanks so much for explaining
in simple terms!!

I learned something new today guys - thanks to all.

lol i understood my explanation just fine but yeah Michael laid it out far better than me,

It is an old trick and that has forced quotas by some sportsbooks and because of this sort of thing it has effected us affiliates

Because they can do it across different sportsbooks, not just the same one, the only real defence is a quota unfortuantly

Unless the OP has a satisfactory response and i withhold judgement until that time, then do we really want members that do this, it harms honest affiliates.

But the OP should have the opportunity to respond before a judgement is made.

**CK - Schalk** · 14 October 2010, 7:52 pm

https://www.active-income.com/forum/expekt-di...me-188676.html

Reoccurring issue.

**derkomisar** · 15 October 2010, 12:41 am

Schalk solved my issue, everything seems to work fine now!

Many thanks

John

**Dricher1983** · 15 October 2010, 7:29 am

@Schalk
I can only say, that my traffic was generated in good faith, no matter what you say. But if i want to generate real fraud traffic, i would go for bonus money and not something like this what other ppl here are talking about.

and the old expekt thing was no fraud traffic problem, it was a traffic problem, that i generated not much customers. I have only a small webside and i can be happy for every player i get to an aff. programm!

So you got your opinion, i got mine, no way we will come together anymore.
So i want to be fair and wish you good luck for the future, but you should really watch who you ban from the program.

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