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    Default Which online casinos will continue to accept French players?

    By the end of the month, the new gambling law in France will be enforced. Only approved online poker and online betting sites will be allowed to accept players from France. It's already a mess for poker affiliates, but what about affiliates like me who mainly promote online casinos to French players?

    The problem is that operators won't be allowed to market casinos to French players if they want to obtain a licence (the law only admits poker and sports betting). For example, if Titan Poker wants to obtain a licence, what will happen to Casino Tropez, Europa Casino and Titan Casino, and every other Playtech casino ? Will EuroPartners sacrifice its French casino players to be able to market Titan Poker in France?

    I would like to update this thread with a list of operators who will continue to accept French players and those who won't. So if anyone has more info about this (affiliate managers are welcome), please post more info.

    Casinos closed to French Players:
    - ACF Webmaster (Casino 770, Casino Riva)
    - Affiliates United
    - Betclic casino
    - Club Hollywood casino
    - PKR Casino
    - Betfair casino
    - Bwin casino
    - Expekt casino
    - Casino winner
    - 888 Casino
    - Everest Casino

    Poker rooms closed to French Players:
    - Cake Poker
    - Hollywood Poker
    - Betfair Poker

    Sports Betting sites closed to French Players:
    - PKR bet
    - SportingBet
    - Gaming Redbet
    - Bet-at-home.com

    Casinos still allowing French Players:
    - Affactive (WinPalace)
    - Brightshare
    - Referback
    - Roxy affiliates
    - Rewards Affiliate
    - C-Planet
    - Egamingonline (EGO)
    - Earn-United
    - Platinum Affiliates
    - Playshare
    - Betsson
    - Interwetten
    - Casino Blaster
    - Betway
    - Fortune Affiliates
    - AffiliateWIDE
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    I wonder if 888 still does.

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    pretty sure 888 is out

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    Thanks guys, I added 888 Casino to the list. I think you are right because they applied for a licence for 888 Poker.

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    Basically, any program going after a French license-sportsbetting or poker would face serious consequences if they continued to accept casino players. I would expect that any program seeking a French license will be closing it's casino doors to French traffic to comply with French law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TanyaEverest View Post
    Basically, any program going after a French license-sportsbetting or poker would face serious consequences if they continued to accept casino players. I would expect that any program seeking a French license will be closing it's casino doors to French traffic to comply with French law.
    Hi Tanya, thanks for your reply. As of now, there are still lots programs that didn't officially state whether they would apply for a French licence or not, hence that list. I guess Everest Casino is out too. I will add the site to the list.

    What about EuroPartners? They have some of the best converting casinos on the French market (and on my sites), so it would be sad to see them go. But since Titan Poker is so big, I have a bad feeling about this.

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    I am a bit disapointed by the lack of reactions from affiliate programs in this post (thanks Tania), especially from Europartners but not only. I understand that it might not be a priority for a lot of people on GPWA, but for affilates that are only or mainly targeting the french market, it is currently a real mess. The most annoying is that most affiliate programs have not communicated at all in this matter, and affiliates that have not started to contact them as soon as the law passed in April to get an idea on which site will apply for a licence in order to replace them straight away by programmes that will definitely not apply and will continue as usual, well they are now in trouble.

    888 has applied for the licence, however it does not mean that they will get it. At the moment, they are still accepting french players and they will continue to do so unless they get the licence... And there again, if I did not contact the affiliate manager on numerous occasions to try to find out what are 888 plans, I would not know. And this is what I am talking about: affiliate managers should have contacted us to let us know these plans as soon as they knew (most knew what they wanted to do before even the law passed...!!!!), instead of sending us an email the day they got the licence to basically telling us "that's it, bye! and thanks for the effort to bring all the players that you are loosing from now on"(like ACF-webmaster for example, or Bwin, etc...). 888 is only an example, all programmes are acting, or have acted, like that (apart from William Hill, that contacted me in April as soon as they knew that they were going to apply for the licence, so I can start to replace them... I have critisised so much Cpays/affutd in the past, I must say that it was a nice gesture!!).

    Phil has kindly started this post here, and posted the link to here on a french forum well known by all french affiliates. I will now do the opposite (if GPWA admins do not mind) and post the link to the french forum where a lot of us would appreciate to hear from affiliate programs (Europartners, Platinum Affiliates, Wagershare, Partypartners, AFF Club, etc..!!!!!) to let us know your plans for the french market. Thanks in advance. https://www.forum-affiliation-casino...1189#msg_21189

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    Ruby Royal is still accepting French players, we have a dedicated site (Ruby Royal French Casino) together marketing tools and banners available in your affiliate account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1casinoguide View Post
    I am a bit disapointed by the lack of reactions from affiliate programs in this post (thanks Tania), especially from Europartners but not only. I understand that it might not be a priority for a lot of people on GPWA, but for affilates that are only or mainly targeting the french market, it is currently a real mess. The most annoying is that most affiliate programs have not communicated at all in this matter, and affiliates that have not started to contact them as soon as the law passed in April to get an idea on which site will apply for a licence in order to replace them straight away by programmes that will definitely not apply and will continue as usual, well they are now in trouble.

    888 has applied for the licence, however it does not mean that they will get it. At the moment, they are still accepting french players and they will continue to do so unless they get the licence... And there again, if I did not contact the affiliate manager on numerous occasions to try to find out what are 888 plans, I would not know. And this is what I am talking about: affiliate managers should have contacted us to let us know these plans as soon as they knew (most knew what they wanted to do before even the law passed...!!!!), instead of sending us an email the day they got the licence to basically telling us "that's it, bye! and thanks for the effort to bring all the players that you are loosing from now on"(like ACF-webmaster for example, or Bwin, etc...). 888 is only an example, all programmes are acting, or have acted, like that (apart from William Hill, that contacted me in April as soon as they knew that they were going to apply for the licence, so I can start to replace them... I have critisised so much Cpays/affutd in the past, I must say that it was a nice gesture!!).

    Phil has kindly started this post here, and posted the link to here on a french forum well known by all french affiliates. I will now do the opposite (if GPWA admins do not mind) and post the link to the french forum where a lot of us would appreciate to hear from affiliate programs (Europartners, Platinum Affiliates, Wagershare, Partypartners, AFF Club, etc..!!!!!) to let us know your plans for the french market. Thanks in advance. https://www.forum-affiliation-casino...1189#msg_21189
    Hey mate

    As far as I'm aware there have been no foundations put out yet on how to apply for the license or what is necessary to do it, so I'm curious to know how 888 have managed to do that?

    For the record, Rewards Affiliates are still accepting French traffic and we are doing a 60% promotion in June for all French traffic, so if you need somewhere to send your French players and you're looking for a higher commission for them, send me an email [email protected]

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    Hey All,

    We are still accepting French traffic, for poker (RedKings) on a revshare basis and no restrictions on casino players for both EUCasino and CasinoRedKings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renee View Post
    Hey mate

    As far as I'm aware there have been no foundations put out yet on how to apply for the license or what is necessary to do it, so I'm curious to know how 888 have managed to do that?

    For the record, Rewards Affiliates are still accepting French traffic and we are doing a 60% promotion in June for all French traffic, so if you need somewhere to send your French players and you're looking for a higher commission for them, send me an email [email protected]

    Cheers
    Hi Renee, the instructions on how to apply for the licence have been released more than a month ago and many operators have already applied for it: Bwin, Betclic, PokerStars, ChiliGaming, PKR, are amongst them... The licences for sports betting should be delivered this Wednesday, but for poker operators will have to wait until July.

    Great promotion you have there, as always with Rewards Affiliate

    Thanks for the update Pauline! EGO represents great brands and I'm glad we'll still be allowed to promote them to French players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil View Post
    Hi Renee, the instructions on how to apply for the licence have been released more than a month ago and many operators have already applied for it: Bwin, Betclic, PokerStars, ChiliGaming, PKR, are amongst them... The licences for sports betting should be delivered this Wednesday, but for poker operators will have to wait until July.

    Great promotion you have there, as always with Rewards Affiliate

    Thanks for the update Pauline! EGO represents great brands and I'm glad we'll still be allowed to promote them to French players.
    Thanks Phil.. Don't suppose you could PM me a link?
    I could be well behind on this because Helene is our French AM.. I could blame it on being a natural blonde but that doesn't work anymore..

    Thanks for the info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renee View Post
    Thanks Phil.. Don't suppose you could PM me a link?
    I could be well behind on this because Helene is our French AM.. I could blame it on being a natural blonde but that doesn't work anymore..

    Thanks for the info!
    No problem Renee! Every country in the European Union seems to make its own rules regarding online gambling and it's difficult to follow what happens everywhere. Here are some links regarding the applications:
    https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/microg...ication-11896/
    https://www.online-casinos.com/news/news319946.asp

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    This just popped in my email from BETWAY


    Dear Betway Affiliate

    Following the recent legislative developments in France, Betway has made amendments to the existing Terms and Conditions applicable to the Betway Affiliate Program in place between yourself and Betway ('the Agreement').

    Please regard the below clause (the 'Terms') as an addendum to the Agreement. These changes are effective as of immediately and please regard this email as notice of such changes to the Agreement.

    We will assume that through continuing to work us, you have accepted the new terms and deem them satisfactory.

    If you do not accept these Terms, then we regret to inform you that we have no choice but to terminate our collaboration with you. It is no longer Betway policy to accept any traffic from affiliates actively targeting players located in France and from .fr domains.

    Please note that the definitions are the same as per the current Agreement.

    ''Clause 12B

    12B.1 By entering into this Agreement you undertake that you, nor any Second Tier Affiliate will not: (i) actively target customers located in France including but not limited to sending Customers unsolicited correspondence, Marketing Material, the use of bannering, off-line advertising and direct marketing; and (ii) send Betway or any of its Betway.com websites, any French traffic or players from a .fr based domain.

    12.B2 Betway reserves the right to immediately terminate this Agreement should you or your Second-tier Affiliate breach the abovementioned clause 12.B1 and excludes to the fullest extent lawfully permitted all liability incurred pursuant to such a breach of the above mentioned clause 12.B1"

    If you have any queries about the above mentioned Terms please do not hesitate to contact us.

    Kind regards

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    Betway is actually blocking France players completely or just not allow affiliates active marketing/targeting to France residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrindavan View Post
    Betway is actually blocking France players completely or just not allow affiliates active marketing/targeting to France residents.
    I also think the new terms are a bit vague. What does Betway means by "actively target"? Can we still target French players on our .com, .org and .net websites or not? This should be more explicit as we don't want to expose ourselves to sudden termination of our accounts.
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    I think everything really going to clear up in the next few days. For the most part, everything with France has been incredibly vague, so affiliates and operators have both been in the same "wait and see" position, even those of us who have been active in the process.

    This is what I know: the first round of applications were delivered to the French authorities the last week in May. The first acceptances went out today. Everest Poker has received a license as of today, along with BetClic and a few others (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-95849399.html). The first round of licenses primarily went to Sportbetting and Horse Racing operators, and about 6 poker sites. I know that a few operators also did not get their licenses approved yet.

    Malta decided to invoke it's power to review the French law about a week ago, putting everything in terms of poker at a halt. I believe that Sportbetting is aimed to go live soon to be in conjunction with the World Cup. Other operators have to wait a bit longer with no exact date in place right now.

    I share everyone's frustration with a lack of information. I will do my best to share any information I receive. For those of you with some knowledge of French (or Google translate), the French website has some answers as well https://www.pre-arjel.fr/. I would be happy to answer any questions if you guys want to keep it in this thread or have a "general France" thread...

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    Re Betway - this line sums it up...
    Affiliate will not: (i) actively target customers located in France including but not limited to sending Customers unsolicited correspondence, Marketing Material, the use of bannering, off-line advertising and direct marketing;
    Don't promote to French players - period!
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    >> Don't promote to French players - period!

    How about a person from France go to the operator site through my affiliate link.
    i am passive.

    it is not equal to not accept people from France.

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